You can skip forward to 2:00 min in, in order to get to the part about “libor”, that is when the story begins.

Part 1: http://thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-18-2012/…international-banking-actuality-part-37

Part 2: http://thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-18-2012/…international-banking-actuality-part-37---libor-fallout

Just as all of the channeling have said it would be~ Here it is! Isn't it entirely obvious how that Ascension is under way? The arrests and exposing their crimes like this is the very first step to getting the proverbial light ball rolling here! I’ve always loved Jon Stewart to death! He’s a true lightworker and great friend to the people!~ A highly intelligent master of summation when it comes to all of the corruption involving politics in our world, and he always delivers it in a witty and entertaining way. If you want to watch the fireworks display that is the dark cabal and Illuminati going up in flames, I suggest watching his show to easily keep up to date on things and learning them about them in a lighthearted, non-aggressive and fun way! It’s quite fun to watch him metaphorically poke his stick at Mitt Romney as he ignorantly flails about in this world like a fish not receiving the proper amount of darkness he was once used to. The light is growing stronger and stronger, and it clearly shows and is evident at how very desperate and blatantly stupid those dark entities are now appearing in the public eye. They are making mistake after mistake, they are backed into a corner, they are being repeatedly exposed for what they are, and this video and all of its original sources seems to me like the very first HUGE domino that will being flood our main stream media like a wave illumination upon all that dark cabal’s going-ons and wrong doings.

I just LOVE at the end how he jokes quickly around at them being the Illuminati at the end of part 1! Subtly implanting that truth in the masses perhaps to make it less harsh when more of all of this comes to light? Two of the people in charge: Mr. Rich Ricci and Mr. Diamond…… Obviously these people are two puppets controlled by the those true dark entities behind the scenes controlling everything, and the sheer arrogance and irony in their choice of names is as if they were purposely flaunting the whole situation in our faces. It is if a poorly written day time drama or cheesy work of fiction! And another part that is mentioned: finding about libor is like finding out that “the whole world is built on quicksand.” And that couldn’t be more true…

The structure that the dark forces have poorly conceived and set up is falling apart at the seams and is begging to be exposed in its entirety; that should be blatantly obvious after seen these two short little clips here. Now all you light workers stay hopeful, focus your wills, and hold on for the ride~ Because it’s going to an awesome, liberating journey into all things loving and lightful!

Source: http://lightworkers.org/forum/163711/illuminati-crimes-are-now-being-reported-mainstream-media

Well, it's definitely tough work and a struggle existing here in the 3rd density... But it will just make ascension feel all the more wonderful once we finally get there! ;3 Just such a HUGE feeling of accomplishment, a HUGE sigh... It's like being denied food for long, on the brink of starving to death, and then having a fantastical meal to sate you entirely and fill your body with that long desired nourishment! :3 Helping out in 5D will be the most fun and exciting thing ever!!! :3 Seriously I can't think of anything more fun and exciting in all of existence... 0.0 Here we have BILLIONS of souls here on earth all living in such a suppressed, horrible state... Entering 5D will be the most massive transformation of love, enlightenment, awakening and soul freeing. Everything most amazing and wonderful fuuuu!! Super cool!! x3 My one starseed friend I met a very long time ago IRL told me how earth is currently a "hot spot" and THE place to be in our universe right now... Ascension on the physical realm is something very rare, and all beings from all over have come to attend such a magnificent, amazing event!

So of COURSE you'll want to stay here and help everyone get settled into 5D!!! :3 That, my friend, IS your HUGE reward for having been incarnated here on earth and all the work you've had to do here! ;3 Helping out in a recently born 5D world will be helping out in a state of constant, magnificently huge and vivid love! :3 It will be the most relaxing and loving environment in the universe for quite some time I'm sure! ;3

From my understanding, we will be eternal being with our human base physical form once the 5D world is finally established. >^.^< So if you choose to be reborn again, you'll have plenty of time to decide that. ;3 Of course pain always sucks to feel... But I personally embrace pain, and thank it for the valuable lesson teacher it is! >^.^< No pain no gain as they say! x3 Souls like you and I don't have much left in the way of learning painful lessons though yes... We are ready for the higher densities of love and a less painful life! But the main reason we are here is simply to help those FINALLY making that trip to an ascended state of 5D love remember! It is most likely the cast that our eternal selves volunteered to be here at this time! We are but brave soul warriors of love who were willing to enter this low density once more in order to bring our brother and sisters who are now ready to join us up! ;3 We are on the front lines of the battlefield here! It shouldn't be much longer until the war is done, and it's now time for that final push into 5D! >^.^< Idk... I enjoy being here for all of them and revel in the idea that all of this is my mission and what I'm doing is truly important and meaningful... So I don't mind my existence at this point at all. ;3 I am of course so, so very excited for ascension and simply cannot wait for all of it~

I was just talking to this guy about pain and trying to help him get over his Grandfather that died recently! Anyway, I ended up typing this to him in our conversation, and i think I articulated it pretty well, so I wanted to share! ;3 "Pain occurs in the physical form when our body is trying to tell us something is wrong with it. It's a way to tell us when we are hurt, so that we can fix it. Mental and emotional pain in the non-physical universe works EXACTLY the same way, only you feel pain because of a mental or emotional problem or issue. Just like pain in the physical, you have to fix the problem, but instead of physical, this is done through a mental process and thinking in the correct ways. All pain and suffering in this world is something that should be used as a valuable learning point and a challenge for you to over come, because that is the true nature of pain." I just think it sums it up pretty nicely! >^.^<

I somewhat know about what you mean when you talk about being on fire and being energetically shredded when something becomes too intense... >.> A month or so ago, when the avengers movie came out, I was hanging out with a bunch of old friends who all seem to be so very imbedded within the lower density... >.> They brought me down to their level as I was hanging out with them all day it seems... And eventually, when we went to go see the movie, a headache I had started to develop turned VERY bizarre, as my consciousness became disrupted, and a very odd, distant sort of sensation took me over. >.< I felt as though I was going to pass out from all of this and I finally asked to be taken home (as we were waiting in line for like half hour already to see the movie on opening day). But yeah... Lower densities are very dangerous to us right now, and when things become too intense as you say, they do indeed become too much to handle! >.< Besides your guides shielding you, don't forget to shield yourself as much as you can! :3 We are beings with infinite power an capabilities once we tap into source from what I've heard! ;3 So ask for God's protection as well, and to help lend him your power! >^.^< Your shield I believe is as powerful as you will and TRULY believe it to be on you! :3 Hope everything will work out and you stay safe! >^.^<

People are simply fooling themselves if they think they have found their twin flame on a realm and place like earth... x3 It just ISN'T ideal at all for a third density situation... >.> There is ALWAYS more you could learn and take away from your experience here without them! I mean, I know if my twin flame was here on earth and I met them? My world would be complete... ALL that would matter to me is them, and they would take up the VAST majority of my time and day, because I would want to dedicate my being and all that I am to making them happy and pleasured and yeah... x3 Please not to let those negative, ignorant comments effect you alright? ;3 Whenever you receive them, I want you to perceive such comments as the insults of a small child acting out, not knowing any better and not fully understanding the words he is saying to you. Because in all honesty, that's what they are showing themselves to be... An immature soul child... x3 If they were mature enough to understand their negative, hateful words, they simply would not say them... If they were like me and you, they would be only of love hehe... :3 So keep those things in mind! And always perceive those sorts of people for what they really are! Someone immature and doesn't know any better...

That second one there is the same case, but pushed much farther into ignorance and the immaturity scale yes... 0.0 *hugs* I'm sorry you have to deal with such people yeah... I've encountered the EXACT same thing before... I found it in some girl online who had a VERY manipulative boyfriend... I had gotten to know them both, and he had shown himself to be a complete "user", and basically using her... Long story short, I tried to warn her of his true nature, she is in love, and so hates because I "insulted" her boyfriend when I all I did was simply told her of his actions. x3 I talk to him, and he twists and manipulates my words to make it seem like I'm insulting HER now... He does this to make me seem bad, and to hurt her even further... It was all just bleh...

Please remember to keep in mind how we can only guide and give helpful advice... Those who are so, so very immature and ignorant, they cannot HOPE but to comprehend or understand our words yet... 0.0 They will lash out like this, because they are but children who don't understand the nature of true reality, they do not understand what it means to love... They don't understand much of anything at all! >.< I don't need to see the full conversation hehe... You need to put all of this in the past alright? None of it is your fault, none of it is your pain or issues you need to work out here, it is all them... All of their hateful ignorance being displayed. I want you to simply let go and forget about all of it alright? Put them both on ignore if you they are going to continue saying hurtful, hateful things...

Dealing with such people will always leave you utterly drained and in a sad mood... And I'm glad to hear you are starting to feel better despite that conversation. >^.^< Go do something fun on your break! :3 Do something that you used to a REALLY long time ago that was always fun and entertaining to you, but you stopped for one reason or another. Go back to it and try and experience the joy it once gave you. Idk, just a thought of something you could do for fun on this break of yours here! ;3

I want surround sound and an awesome cool speaker system too! T^T That sounds like a lot of fun~ :3 Also you has a woofer! It is a sub woofer?! x3 I'm not quite entirely sure if I know what a woofer is!! T^T Is it the box thing where base comes from?! :3 But oh yes! Use Mother Gai's energy to help heal and purify you and stuffs! >^.^< Now that you mention it, I'd like to connect to her again today and just dwell on her as much as possible for fun~ She is a indeed a big help when getting through any pain! >^.^< Hope you feel better soon and at max strength~

They seriously are just children having outbursts yes! x3 They are immature souls, or souls who have forgotten and are lost. >.> They simply don't fully understand yet the emotions and words that they yield, and use them out of ignorance and a lack of understanding mmm hmm. :3 I'm happy if any of my advice can help you~ My pleasure. >^.^< I'll definitely come to you if I never need help with anything spiritual as well! And thanks in the past for the healing help again, all of that pretty much went away completely! >^.^<

High quality sound can make all the difference and add so so much to any experience! I've only ever had dinky little speakers for my computers, must be fun to play games and watch movies on. >^.^< I don't know anything about the 7.1 and 5.1 numbers! x3 Is that like the quality of sound it is able to reach up to or something? 0.0 Sounds like you god a good price on that for sure though yeah~ :3 For the most part headphones work really well I think too! The quality is always really good with them! >^.^< I wonder what number of quality sound stuffs they generally have? x3

Omg I have next to know idea what you're talking about with all that heating and cooling system stuff! x3 But sounds pretty cool! x3

I'll I've done today is respond to some messages from different peoples, made and ate a sandwich, then went to the beach... Now I need a nap! Such a hard life I lead! T^T x3 I like how you said "power sugar" Surely you meant powder! But roflmao 'power sugar' just sounds soooo awesome!!! x3 I want power sugar in my coffee! And with everything really! x3 It's so tasty and gives you strengtthh!!! :3 Spaghetti with sauce and gooey cheese just sounds delicious~ My sandwich I ate will keep me fed all day for me! x3 Well... Ima try and nap! ttyl~ :3

Mmm hmm~ >^.^< Ahh! So 7.1 stands for seven speakers and the .1 is a sub woffer! I see!x3

I see I see! :3 But Tweeters?! Now you're just making things up! x3 Sub woofers and tweeters... They make up cool names for sound stuffs! x3

Yes yes! I a mixture of power sugar and awesome sauce on just about everything I eat! *tweaks* It's what makes me so super special awesome cool! x3 I just eat when I finish things I'm doing! :3 And always just one meal, with a bit of snacks sometimes throughout the day. ;3 I've been starved of physical affection my entire life sadly though... T^T I'm ready for ascension so I can finally have some hot, furry, alien loving please!!! >^.~< Furry aliens!! Furry aliens!! come on! Chant it with me!! x3 There's gotta be at least a few furry races out there are just zomg "outa of this world" Buduh phsshh!! x3

Oh and yes! My name is Tristan! ;3 I had some pastor guy or whatever tell me some story about someone prophecy about someone named Tristan way back in the day who was going to save something or do something? I can't remember... 0.0 But he joked around about me being Jesus born again or something like that? x3 Get this! My mother's name is "Mary" Lynn! And my father's name middle name is Richard "Joseph" !!! 0.0 So basically I'm Jesus! So wassup? I'm Jesus... x3 I asked my starseed friend about the real Jesus, he said he's up in heaven doing something though, can't remember what... x3

But your all time favorite guy name is Maximilian?! x3 That is just like! Such an evil, super rich person sounding name! x3 I just think of a douche bag who has tons of cash really! x3 It's a good villain name I think! x3

zomg, a sexy dominant quality to it... x3 I've NEVER understood that submissive/dominant aspect of sex being a turn on either which way personally! x3 ALL I care about is using my being and my will to make my partner happy and physically pleasured. My single biggest turn on is knowing that I'm making them feel good. >^.^< For that special person I love more than anything, I want to have them be in a constant of mental, emotional and physical pleasure... I will dedicate a great portion of my time and effort to making sure I am putting them in a constant state of bliss. ;3 That's why I know I couldn't be in contact with my soul mate right here during this time... As my mission would be SO much harder to accomplish rofls x3

Love and friendship is something I have analyzed to death with thought and emotion! :3 I've never had a real, serious relationship IRL whatsoever... >.> And am 25, and still virgin as I believe I've told you before? hehe x3 The two times I fell on love were both with people online, and both ended in heartache and hurt severely... But I was so so glad for having them, cuz they taught me so, so much about love. :3

Being a more high frequency being and so much more understanding of existence like we are... We general have SUCH a greater understanding of love and what it means to love as a result. The vast, VAST majority of these third density dwellers on this earth have NO idea how to approach romantic love WHATSOEVER!! zomg... x3 Also, the depths of love in which they can explore? They are always ones much more shallow of that which true, ultimate love allows... The problem and what's ultimately preventing them? Ego and selfishness... TRUE love is wishing someone infinite happiness and pleasure without YOU have being the one they are with yeah know? It sounds cheezy, and it's what they always do in romance movies, but it's true... x3

Generally, people get in relationships for entirely egotistical and selfish reasons... THEY themselves don't want to feel alone or want to feel loved. Basically, they get in a relationship TOO feel loved... Which is not a good bases at all... >.> I believe they, in a round about, hidden way, "use" each other for the feeling of being loved and cared for. Generally this is done through an initial romantic interest in each other (they find one another physically attractive, or immediately charming or something...) Love is something very blinding and confusing when it mixed together with ego and selfishness... It is only when you reach that high level of understanding of existence and learn how to be all loving that you are finally able to live selflessly and love others with NO ego whatsoever! ;3 Like me now adays... I can love others, and it feels me with such joy and happiness ONLY to do that... I require NONE of their love in return, and more often than not I get none in return! x3 I am oh so happy simply if I can impact their life in a positive way, and if I can make them feel happy or loved at all. :3

ANYWAYS! People don't understand all of this at all whatever... And so all of their romantic relationships fail, or they become stuck in them, or they simply reach a level of love that is not or deep or meaningful as it could go... There are many depths to love, and because of the nature of third density world like this one and the large amount of ignorance here, you always end up with these shallow, fickle, small glimpses of what a true kind of love can REALLY be... When you don't understand love, it can be something very blinding. Basically... What REALLY happens with most people and relationships in this density I believe, Is that they fall in love with the FEELING of love and being loved... But not the person themselves ... 0.0 Or not as much as they should be doing anyway... You need to live for others and dedicate your being and will to seeing them happy and content... Only then will obtain a true love, an ultimate love, a love that will last forever and never fade, and a love of the deepest and most meaningful value. >^.^<

*rant rant rant* Okay I'm done rofl x3 That's how I feel about love and understand it... And any attempt to connect to people in any sort of meaningful way on this earth always falls short, because people are SO involved with ego and selfishness... T^T And don't understand it this way that I do... There is a bit more too it of course after all that! Surely all beings in this world, as well as all of existence, are capable of being loved, an always deserve love! However, their are souls and beings who simply resonate and vibrate on the same sort of wavelength beyond all that as well. These are beings who essence just seems to mesh so very well with each other, and beings who just seem to "get" each other, and "click" on an entire higher level complete hehe. :3 These are the sorts of beings who will be your DEAREST, MOST closest friends/family in all of existence... This will also be the sort of being who is your soul mate. >^.^< The one who gets you the very most... Your wavelengths so in tune and close that you want to be with them always, and when are you with them, your existence is constantly heightened and intensified as a result.

But now I'm ranting on more! x3 Anyway, I hope that was all interesting enough, and I'm not being too too repetitive! x3 The beginning bit I had typed a while ago, and then I came back to this message and started up again, and it's almost 4 AM! So yeah!! T^T x3 *Is continuing to read the rest of your message now that I finally finished love tangent! x3*

I'd love to hang out with you after the shift. >^.^< I honestly don't know if I could have a romantic sort of physical relationship in this world at all though! x3 The human form just tends to repulse me so very much, both male and female... >.> x3 You have no idea how very furry I am here! x3 I think I could possibly be bi even for them cute feminine furry males! T^T None of that stops me from loving others so very intensely in heart and in mind though. >^.^< I simply don't have that extra will to pleasure and make them happy physically! x3 Idk... I'd like to believe that all this furryness nonsense that I am so passionate about is one of my soul's personal traits and style preference perhaps? 0.0 Part of my wavelength and vibration if you will maybe?! It's something very strange... It will be very interesting to finally know EXACTLY to what depths my love for furry entails. x3 But yes! We will have to do fun stuff and hang out IRL lots once we are able to travel easily and all this ascension stuff finally picks up! ;3

Well I guess Arcturians don't have blue balls from the sound of it if they don't have sex organs! x3 But they must grow some when they shapeshift to procreate yeah! x3 I'm guessing the Arcturian race is of a higher density? I dunno anything about them... But from the sounds of it, in higher densities, to procreate you simply need the sheer love between another being and the will to procreate with them. :3 No genitals needed! x3 No more painful child birth... >.> For that I'm very grateful~ I don't want my mate to be pained by our babies birth! T^T I DO plan on mating with my mate every god damn chance I get though personally! x3 I'm going to have them enter a constant state of physical bliss... Always touching them in sensitive places... ;3 Well okay, maybe we go out in public I'll stop... But ONLY then... T^T roflmao x3 We can always keep things exciting by changing forms and stuff too~ ;3

Daylily! Very cool looking flower :3 And it's from your world eh? 0.0 I wonder just how many plants and such have their true origins from other worlds like that. >^.^< That's cool you could learn more about your home world and stuff! I can't wait to learn about my past one! It's something so so very fun and cool and exciting I would imagine!!!

Black cloaks and such you say! I wonder what I wore on my planet and stuffs too! x3 I always pretty much die whenever I see feral wolves or foxes or animals and such wearing armor... 0.0 It just looks SO terribly cool and awesome x3 But if I were indeed a furry creature, then we wouldn't have any need for clothes for the most part... x3 Nice soft fur to keep you warm all the time~ >^.^< I guess neutrality was emphasized back on your home world though? 0.0 I just find that so terribly boring personally! x3 It just seems like the opposite of neutrality would be passion! And I love being passionate about things and loving them! :3 I love judging things on the basis of how much grounds they hold on the basis of how logical and loving they are... I don't like staying neutral, but formulating opinions and delving into areas with profound thought and love in order to understand them and know how to view them appropriately.

But perhaps your understanding of neutrality is different all together? I'd love to hear about it. >^.^< Black cloaks do just look pretty bad ass though don't though! x3 They just have this certain aura and feel to them huh? 0.0 :3 You'll have to get a nice new one yeah, gotta represent your home world fashion! ;3

Well! 4:30 AM now! x3 Is this message long enough for yeah?! x3 Probably one of the longest ever written on this message board, and maybe the longest you've ever received?! x3 Anyways!! rofls x3 G'night! *hugs*

The fact is, I don't get into relationships believing either one way or another if they will love me or not! I get into them and try and make them feel as loved and cared for as I can, and invest myself in them only because I want to make them happy and to help them in this life. :3 I KNOW that they SHOULD all love me in return... But it's the case that some are so immature at this time, don't understand love and aren't all loving yet, and so they more often than not incapable of loving me in return... T^T So it's not a matter of me finding people who will love be back according to how I feel about if they will love more or not I don't believe, but simply that the nature of dealing with people in a third density world, that is is a hard thing to ask of most of these people dwelling here.

Maybe I have lived as various animals throughout my lives as well! Like wolves and foxes and that's why I feel for them so? x3 Could have something to do with why I'm attracted for furreh thangs! x3 I'm just dying to know the real, true story behind all of it~ :3 It will be oh so fun and exciting to finally know! >^.^<

Procreation in a higher density world must be an entirely different beast from what it is here yeah. 0.0 Is it the case that a person will willingly volunteer to go and incarnate there? And how much of a say to the parents have in deciding who that being is? Perhaps they are a already a friend or family member who they wish to call forth through the procreation act already? Or perhaps it's the case that procreation in the higher densities isn't anything like that all? 0.0 Personally, how I would view the act of procreation if I were dwelling in a higher density, is that it is a means for two beings in extreme love to spark a COMPLETELY new being altogether... 0.0 It would be a being that is very similar to both your wavelengths, but slightly different, and an entirely new entity all together! :3 It would be the birth of an entirely new soul, and something VERY rare and magical to happen perhaps... The product of two enlightened, all loving souls who come together to make one of the very ultimate creations in all of existence yeah know? ;3 But your race has 5D-9D spans huh! I'd like to know what all of those even higher densities means if you care to explain or have a link! x3 I wonder what the highest one is too and what's that like! :3

Just thinking of my "friends from home" and what they might be like or who they might be insights this vivid feeling of love and connection within me. x3 It's really quite amazing and cool~ >^.^< I might just go and do that! Meditate on them I mean hehe! Thx for the idea~ >^.^< I never been very good at all that meditation stuff though... I never get any real vivid or in depth experiences from it! T^T

And ahh, so that's what neutrality is all about, being in divine balance! :3 Does sound very nice hehe~ I think it's the natural state that all souls strive for... The calmness and oneness after the constant struggle and rippling waves causes to get out of a third density and understand what existence is all about! It does sound beautiful indeed yes~ >^.^< And always peaceful. :3

I would imagine that ALL those higher density dwellers are being that are very spiritual hehe. :3 As they are all aware of their eternal selves correct? How can they not be?! x3 Archery does seem like something very pure and flowing yeah. And it would be one of those VERY most basic ways for a human to kill an animal in order to eat it's meat... So the weapon must have a very embedded aura into the natural flow of life everywhere yeah know? :3 Very cool you know of being a druid and all your past lives and such! I can't wait to learn of mine too!~~~~ >^.^<

In the higher densities you don't have attachments to anyone? 0.0 But what about twin flames and soul mates? What is love if not a very deep mental and emotional attachment to other beings? I am all for loving everyone equally... At least, I have found how to care and love everyone in all of existence. But won't there always be those beings who resonate more with you and you just somehow 'hum' more in tune with? It just seems somewhat boring to me really for everyone to love each other EXACTLY equally... The true personalities of individuals and their special style preferences. Their own unique spin and taste that they will always apply to any creative endeavor... I LOVE how very varied and different people's individual selves are. I love it when people are vibrant expressive beings. And although each persons expressive deserve equal love and praise, I really feel as though there will always be those types of individuals in which you resonant and vibrate closer with... Idk, I would think that such a thing is a an added bonus, extra fun aspect of what it means to exist for an eternity of time. To search through all souls and seeing JUST how deep your love and intertwine with each each one. :3 I've always been someone who has loved the rare, the different and the unique. It just seems to me that if you loved all beings in existence equally, then it's something plane and could become mundane after a while? Idk... I DO love all things in existence intensely, I just feel like there are those special, rare things that I could love even more intensely. ;3 If it were that way as well, I think people would strive to get to know one each other more! People would be more genuinely interested in one another, always trying to strengthen their loving bond and grow it deeper with in one another.

And it may be a condition that we know everyone has their own path they wish to follow, so leaving us or transition through death doesn't effect AS much in a negative way... But won't it always hurt at least a little bit to see our loved ones go? Won't we miss them and be happy when the return? It just seems like such a higher density world that you describe would lesson everyone's passion, and as a result their range of emotion! T^T That's why I feel uneasy at the mention of 'neutrality', I just feel like it's a word also associated with 'indifferent', and not caring one way or the other? To me, love IS caring about all others... Doing your best to have them be happy! :3 Love IS being attached to others... It's investing a piece of your soul into them, and it's an intimate connection in that way. But when you understand that we are all eternal beings, that attachment is one that is ALWAYS good... Never too saddening or bad when you part, re-assured that you WILL meet again eventually. >^.^<

Sorry if I misunderstand any of this all, and I'd love to hear you elaborate on this concept of neutrality! But that's how I really feel about love and existence with my limited knowledge and information. :3

Isn't it the case that in a 5D world, we have knowledge of our eternal selves, and we can live in that 5D world for an infinite amount of time if we wished to? That's what I've heard! x3 So I just thought that 5D would be a lot more lax about those sorts of things like being born into such a world as a 5D one. Because it IS so advanced and it could be a permanent destination if they would like it to be. But I guess it's still set up much like that of the 3D in regards to bringing souls to that place of existence? :3 Maybe something like I described in creating utterly new types of human conscious type soul beings is reserved for the VERY highest sorts of density. ;3

Over population would quickly become an issue if you all lived forever! x3 I still find that very odd that you see each other exactly equal in the way of love! A romantic relationship with anyone you meet at any time?! x3 I am able to view sex as something very detached from love, but I think what is required for the most meaningful of a romantic relationship would be your souls resonating so very close together! So I can see there being no need for a monogamous control system for sure hehe. Love and sex isn't anything that should be limited and confined by a jealous, monogamous control system. :3 Love is not jealous and is unconditional... There are no conditions in which people should meet to be loved, and so all things should be loved. I do however yeah... Believe that certain beings can click on a deeper level when they have closer wavelengths... >.>

Sex is merely a tool I would like to use to pleasure and please those ones I love yes. >^.^< It definitely isn't the most important or only aspect of love at all! Just a very fun physical one! x3 But the way you describe every day on your planet being more exhilarating than any orgasm as earth sounds like the best thing ever! x3

6D sounds fun! :3 The idea of expanding my consciousness further and further seems like something scary, and a bit hard to grasp... x3 But I'm sure it's simply just amazing once you are able to get to those places mmm hmm! >^.^<

Yeah, meditation sounds too fun~ I'll have to try it lots more and just be patient and practice lots I believe! I really need to try and FEEL and will myself in certain directions more... As I can feel the power and potential behind doing that, it's just a bit hard to grasp and vague for me currently. >.< But thanks for the info about mediation and such, I'll definitely attempt it more. >^.^<

Ahh, so that's what being spiritual means to you. :3 I think it needs a different word really! x3 Like spirit enthusiast and helper?! Idk... Something more fancy and concise... x3 That one main function of the Arcturians is definitely of the noblest best things you could ever hope do do in a 5D here for sure. >^.^< I'd love to do help out in something like that so badly~ Just to go around and spread love to where it's needed most and liberate those in need! :3 It would just be the absolute best, yes yes~ Very cool that you are one of the elders of your race! >^.^<

To focus on a such thing does seem the natural result of an evolved people and love, so i would assume most races would end up doing such a thing eventually! :3 What was fun to do in the middle ages?! x3 And you remember running your care off a bridge with a bunch of friends in the 60's who wanted to transition through death? 0.0 That just seems so tragic a thing to do though! T^T

Breaking down the Soviet's society with blue jeans and rock and roll?! 0.0 x3 I have severely underestimate the power of blue jeans! x3 I like dark blue ones personally~ :3 I'm again so sorry to hear it was so unbearable that you and your friends felt the need to kill yourselves like that... T^T I can't wait until I remember my past lives like you hehe...

Mmm yes! But I think we might just have a semantics problem going on here! You see! How I view "attachments" is more like a "connection". I feel that I am connected to all things, and at one with them. :3 I view love as a bonding agent! x3 As I go through life and existence, I can send my love roots into all others and intertwine our beings as I encounter them. Sending them my love... I do understand how everyone and everything has something beautiful to share~ But for some I think my love roots might go deeper into and take a hold of even stronger~ >^.^< It's not that I won't take away ALL that I can from each entity I encounter! I just feel that every soul IS an individual and has their own personality and vibration, and that BEING a being that has something unique to and s pecial to offer the world would naturally resonate with other beings who have similar quality similar things to offer the world! I just feel it's a natural consequence... And I know that love isn't jealous, so that wouldn't be a problem, and I feel as though this would sort of be a more fun and exciting way to have existence set up is all I guess! x3 Why? Because contrasts and the up and down motions, opposing sorts of forces is what makes an experience in the first place, and puts things into perspective! But it may be the case that with my limited perspective I simply can't understand love to it's fullest, most magnificent depths, so you might be right about all this equal love stuffs. x3 Like zomg... Just being able to love EVERYONE in the world as dearly as my soul mate? 0.0 That would be something the most fucking intense and awesome ever... x3 So either way it's set up, I'm good! ;3 And the more and more I think about the way you describe it now, the more I am inclined to believe you... It's making me want to cry it's such a beautiful thing to thing to think about... My god!! T^T Thanks for discussing it with me and helping me to understand~ >^.^< Loving the very uniqueness of everyone and understanding how valuable and magnificent each soul is and enjoying everything they are willing to offer, yes yes ~ >^.^<

A twin flame and a soul mate are those things?! If that's how it really is, it just seems completely narcissistic doesn't it?! rofls x3 Very cool and interesting to think about hehe. :3 I guess your not sure entirely on the soul mate though? We'll just have to find out after the ascension and such~ >^.^< I feel that I am able to become EVEN more all loving after having this conversation though! x3 It's fun! x3 Thanks again~ x3

Yes yes~ Thank you for demonstrating how loving everyone equally wouldn't be boring with those examples~ I like how you say "love is not one flavour". >^.^< This whole conversation is just having me beam with love now~ >^.^< Love is just the greatest and so much fun! x3 I love love~~~~ >^.^< Different resonations and flavors of love indeed! :3 all equally important and meaningful in their own special ways~

When you say "neutrality" I imagine these gray aliens who are just like indifferent to everything are just like "meh..." x3 Kind of like these neutral aliens from an episode of that futurama show! x3 I do realize it's a very 3D perspective, and that's why I'm trying to understand it and figure it out. But talking to you now I believe have a much better understanding. ;3 Balanced and equal on every level, yes yes~ :3 I'm glad to hear you still have passions! But passions in everything~ Just sounds amazing~ >^.^< I am able to see past a 3D perspective! Or at least understand past it hehe! I will always be a bit limited here of course, but I do love love the idea of how you describe it now yes~ >^.^< *Is still feeling as though love is being directly shot into my body* x3

Damn you dark ones... T^T *sigh* Their reign is coming to a close though... And there will be no more pain or suffering here shortly~ :3 We must do our best to ease it for others as it still exists~ And to invoke light and love into all those around us~ >^.^< I have no idea how a planet is formed to be hollow no! 0.0 I'd love hear about it. :3 I have heard of those who live inside our earth in the channeled messages, and that we will meet them soon enough here! >^.^<

Oh yes yes~ I understand the importance of starting a new life! And it seriously is the most exciting, fun adventure that any eternal being could hope to have now isn't it! ;3 Forgetting of ALL things for a time and experiencing EVERYTHING as new once more... Gaining a completely unique life with no preconceived bias or notions about things~ >^.^< But while being done on 3D world, it's always something so much more harsh and painful... T^T We do need to do all of it to gain new perspectives on things and understandings we might have not been able to gain otherwise! :3 There's an infinite amount of worlds we could incarnate into~ And infinite amount of possibilities and understandings to obtain. >^.^< It's something beautiful if you ask me~ ;3

And ahh! You meant we could start a new romantic relationship with anyone at any time. I see and understand that yes~ >^.^< It's something impossible to do in the 3D world plagued with ego and selfishness... >.> But with truly evolved beings who understand love? I know how very super easy it would be! >^.^<

Well yes about all that about death! And again, I think "attached" was a poor choice of words on my part, as maybe it has more of a connotation of being "dependent" on others? What I more or less mean is being "connected" to others through love! :3 And I realize those love connections and bonds cannot be severed by death, and they are always there once established! >^.^< And that we are able to establish them with anything and everyone in all of existence~ The core of what it means to be an infinite being, is to go forth and establish these emotional connections to all things, and to develop new mental connections and gain understandings of what it means to exist for an eternity as well~

Idk... I believe why the majority of people are sad and in pain when someone dies is simply because as you said, they see our lives here as something finite. The problem isn't with attachment, but with a 3D perspective and understanding! Of course we will be in intense pain if we feel as though someone we love has faded from existence yeah know? 0.0 It would be an emotional love connection severed... A being that could further develop new things for us to appreciate and teach destroyed... T^T Even if I loved my mother and that acquaintance equally as intense and potently, if I lost EITHER of them forever, I would be saddened! T^T If my loved ones are in pain and are suffering, than so am I... If they would cease to exist forever, than a part of me would too yeah know! But that's a 3D perspective mentality, and I know we are eternal beings~ >^.^< So that couldn't happen! :3

I have always been someone never saddened by death... My grandparents and uncle and such died, and yeah... It never phased me every much, because from an early age, deep down inside I feel as though I already knew all this. ;3 I see how when you love everyone equally, it doesn't phase you when they leave for sure hehe. :3 So long as there's SOMEONE around, you simply could never become lonely or sad! x3 Just always in love, all the time~ >^.^< Everyone in existence is capable of the deepest and truest amount of love yes yes~ Some are just different flavors mm hmm~ >^.^< I look forward to connecting to more and more! It is the love that never ends and is infinite and yes!! x3

No you can't post some of your messages from this on your blog... It is private.... T^T ..... Rofl Jk of course!!! x3 Go ahead~ >^.^< You don't ever have to ask yeah know~ My thoughts and being are yours as well as everyone elses! :3 It would warm my heart if any of our conversation helped other in any way at all. >^.^< And yeah! Do it quickly while all of this is still more fresh in your mind! :3

Thanks again so, so much for talking about all this with me~ I feel as though today I have reached an even higher state of awakening and understanding of love and existence! >^.^<

When nature is in balance animals will no longer murder each other? 0.0 But how is it that carnivore creatures are to survive and eat without doing that? 0.0 I thought that rising and falling of herbivore and carnivore populations WAS a balance of animal life in nature. But perhaps that is simply the result of a 3D balanced animal nature? :3 Will humans and animals be able to gain sustenance from energy alone and so not require to eat anymore in a 5D world is it?

Yes yes! Not indifferent to everything. Rather, they are passionate and equally loving towards everything! I getcha! ;3 And how very brave, noble and amazing of the Greys to be stuck in 3D like we are, and to be able to be of love all the while! I've heard that the Annunaki races disguise themselves as grays and abduct people yeah to ruin their name... 0.0 Such bastards... I believe it was actually you who told me about all that before yeah! And you linked me this video before too and I watch and thoroughly enjoyed it so so much~ Thank you for showing it to me. >^.^< That lady is truly incredible... And I just wanted to hug her and love on her the entire time as a I heard her sad story... T^T

Oh yes! I see I see! 0.0 It's that centripetal force and constant spinning that causes the inside to become hollow! 0.0 That actually make so much sense~ :3 The center of the earth is filled with lava my ass! x.x (Like we've been told it is... >.<) I believe that theory came to be because it makes sense with how very much mass and density it pushing inwards towards the center of the earth? Also it's known the the tectonic plates move and shift because they all lay on a moving layer of liquid lava underneath that and such? But Idk... Who knows what we were lied to about yeah know? x3 I've heard they also have separate oceans though in the center of the earth as well? 0.0 And that they can view the sun from the center of the earth somehow? They must have their own plants and animal right? How does the sun get to them exactly I wonder! x3

Mmm I see I see... A bit confusing... A video of it would help to add a better visual for my mind I believe! x3 But I think I get the main idea. :3 Space time is something that's curved due to the force of gravity and things kinda of "weighing" it down you could say. You can think of space time as a piece of paper, and suns or planets and anything with mass as weighing down that piece of paper, and thus causing a slope for other objects to be inclined to be weighted down with it, aka, gravity. :3 Perhaps when a planet is created, it is essentially dropped onto this fabric of space time (when it is caused into existence) and then it somewhat bounced up and down on the fabric as it settles down upon it! ;3 This would be something that causes that hour glass sort of effect that you were talking about, and would be something inline with the physics of the universe as we know it! >^.^< Those other asteroids and various HUGE space materials that may be flying about at the moment of a planets creation? Those impacting the planet at the right angle would be something that would cause it to start spinning I believe ;3 Or it could just be spawned into existence while spinning as well I suppose hehe. :3

Omg... So if I understand what you're saying their correctly... Is it the case that the people inside the earth actually walk sort of "upside-down" when thinking about them in relation to us? 0.0 Like, as if the earth wasn't their and we could see them... They would be below our feet, and we would be below their feet? x3 That would be kinda cool. :3

Oh really? I was under the impression that if you fed a dog or a lion or certain carnivores ONLY fruits and vegetables, that it would get sick or something? 0.0 Their bodies have evolved for eating meat only to fill a specific niche, even the teeth in their mouths are all sharp because it's best for consuming meat. Humans are omnivores and have some flat teeth in the back there, and sharper ones up front! ;3 But I suppose all beings have the potentiality to become herbivores? :3 Also... It's the predator animals eating the prey ones that keeps BOTH of their populations in check. So would animals stop procreating all together as well? 0.0 Because we would all be over run with animals if they ALL at plants, or their wouldn't be enough plants for both species! x3 It is sicking to watch a hawk swoop down and strangle a mother lizard... But it is more sickening to see mother a mother lizard starve to death because there are so many lizards around that there is so very little plant food for them! T^T So it's currently the lesser of two evils yeah know? Idk how it will be set up in a 5D world? But that's how it is and has to be now... If the hawk ate the lizards food too even and green stuffs... Then there would be even less for the lizard to eat and it would starve to death as well! x3 Which would be more slow and horrible I would imagine... So there is currently no lesson that the hawk needs to learn, it is truly fulfilling it's duty and is in utmost balance with nature! T^T

I've heard about some monk or someone going for months and months without eating as well supposedly! :3 So maybe all of the animals will live off of energy once we get to 5D? 0.0 But then there would still be a growing population problem with them... >.< I will still want to eat as well because food is just awesome~ :3 And really it is an artistic creation produced by chefs! A self expression for you pallet! ;3 I've heard that most meats contain negative energy yeah... Because of the way the animals are treated before they are slain for consumption.... >.< I can understand how the human balance of life can be maintained by curbing procreation, but I don't see how that could be done for animals! 0.0 Who don't understand and seem to be so entirely run by sex, eating, surviving. It seems as though that IS the natural balance with them on our planet, so I will be very interested in seeing how that changes. Murder does indeed seem to be the natural order in the animal kingdom so far I can tell for them... Even in body, carnivore animals are completely designed and intended for killing! >.< I'd love to hear your thoughts after stating my case on all that hehe :3

AHH! The sun inside the earth is what gives them light and such... omg 0.0 That's just tooo fucking cool!! x3 I can't wait to take a visit and see it! :3 And omg not fair... I want a pet lion! 0.0 When can I move to inner earth?! T^T And mammoths and such too?! Very cool! 0.0 Maybe they got some saber toothed tigers as well! :3 This is truly mind blowing to think about~ x3

Ahh, now I can understand the hourglass shape thing hehe :3

But hmm... I still feel as though that all animal populations would increase exponentially and the planet would still be over-run with all the breeding going on! 0.0 But perhaps it's the case that animals evolve to breed so very much BECAUSE of what we have done too make them evolve in that way. :3 Humans and animals need a sort of mental and emotional population control yes... >.> In a 5D world that won't be a problem I'm sure... And both parents will only ever have one or two children, and only when it absolutely feels right to do. :3 I'd love to see nature go back to it's true balance that has been lost for so, so long...

But that's so oddly heart warming to hear that humanity was originally meant to take care of nature~ I'd love to do such a thing as that. >^.^< I guess that's more or less what a druid does right? ;3 To treat our earth right and to take care of all her inhabitants... To think of such a thing just fills me with love~ >^.^< I can't wait for all animals to be able to enjoy the abundance of food, yes yes~ None of the plant eating animals having to worry about being eaten constantly and stressing over that... And none of the meat eating animals having to worry about where they will get their next meal... >.< It does seem like a HORRIBLE system of stress and hardship... And like it COULD be better, so I am very inclined to believe all that you are telling me, and makes both logical and loving sense in that way. ;3 I like how you explain those other species just running off of threads of energy alone as well, makes sense to me and feels right! >^.^<

A group consciousness would be something very crazy to take part in! 0.0 Wonder what it's like... And I'd imagine how much more in tune with nature they are all than humans... We've been lost for WAY too long... It's finally time to find our way back! >^.^<

Well yeah... What I mean more or less by a "pet", is just an animal that I constantly hang out with and am good friends with. x3 Even my cat right next to me now, I don't view myself as owning him... Rather we live together and he's my bestest buddy~ I wouldn't be sad too sad if he felt the need to run away or something, I just want him to live his life and be as happy as he can be. >^.^< So yeah, I guess pet isn't that at all and just a very poor choice of words, my bad! x3 I HATE putting my dog on a leash when I take her out... It has always made me feel uncomfortable to do such a thing to her... T^T I do view them as my friends and not an object or something for me to own at all~ I just love love animals so much and I do have the utmost respect for them~ And I simply can't WAIT to be the best of good friends with him when our surface of earth comes to balance and we are able to do such a thing~ >^.^< And I heard we can communicate with them much better as well through telepathy or something like that too then?! 0.0 It will be sooooo amazing and fun and I can't wait!

rofl yes! "it makes loving sense" I'm glad to hear you'll use it from now on when it so strikes you to do so! x3 Mental logic that we feel out the answers with thought process, and Love logic that we feel out through an emotional process. Yes indeed~ >^.^< I so wish to believe that I am starseed of some very rare, furry creature kind of sentient race~ I would love that so much if it were true~!!! >^.^<

Druids doing human sacrifice? 0.0 I've never heard of such a thing. But maybe it was a big lie way back in the day to attempt to soil the good name of druid? :3 I want to learn how to do the magicks!!! T^T I want to shapeshift and such~ Such things will be possible after the ascension progresses enough correct?! I can't wait~ And reading further and your end bit you say I see that it was the case of the dark ones trying to ruin your good names! Ah hah! Damn them... >.<

*sigh* All of my relationships fall apart in this 3D realm... People are so entirely ignorant and silly when it comes to relationships and anything involving love here... x3 I poor SO SO much of my thoughts, emotions, effort and time into people to show them I love and care about them, and I always get NOTHING in return, or a some love back, and then nothing at all! x3 I'm making a rule right now, that I will not invest so much of myself and my time into others unless they are someone sad or depressed... I will use my love and time appropriately and efficiently, so that it stops going to waste on souls who cannot fully appreciate what I am giving them, or I am helping to raise their love levels because they need someone to love them... NO LONGER will I invest myself into 3D dwellers who are mildly content and happy with their lives... ONLY into sad and depressed people! T^T

I spent ALL day yesterday, HOURS AND HOURS with this person and investing love and myself, and it's ALL wasted I feel now... And I'm NOT going to do that again! x3 *Huge sigh of relief* Thanks for letting me vent to you! x3 And for being an actual good friend to me~ *hugs*

Why am I excited or enjoy thinking that my race is rare? I believe it's because I just cherish and love rare and unique things is all! :3 Perhaps if my race was more rare... I would be able to be something very valuable and hold unique, and rare insight on this world and how it is to exist, and so I would be able to spread all of that love and understanding to many people, idk! x3 But it doesn't really matter too much to me, just a thought. x3 In the end, EVERY soul and entity IS something intensely rare, unique and amazing~ >^.^< I just want to get to know and love them all really~

And yes, exactly! You get it there! ;3 It's something enjoyable to be unique and rare! We have more to offer, and we can feel special, desired and sought after in that way! :3 But it's the nature of a souls such as the ones we have to always be that way in the first plasce! So it's just something amazing and fills me with love! :3 And yes, I see you agree with me and say all that as I read further hehe!

Zomg.. I can't wait to shape shift~~~ *murrs and purrs* x3 Can't wait~ Seriously all my wildest dreams and phantasies will come true! x3

Oh yes yes... I've heard what happening here on earth is rare as well... And I just KNOW that with every fiber of my being that I would LOVE to come to a place during this time because it IS so rare and something so awesome and special! x3 So of course I find myself here at this time!!! x3 And So... All if it is going to start happening big time and will pick up sooon!! I'm going to love love love helping out with the ascension however it is I can!!! >^.^<

I just have so many animals and cute furry things I'd like to shape shift into really! x3 But fox might be the major one yes! ;3 I've always been strangely drawn to that animal and just felt such a strong sort of undefinable connection with the kind of aura and vibration it gives off. >^.^< But wolves too I love~ And a black panther I would love to be for a while~ :3 I just love a sleek, four legged figure with a muzzle, and soft fur and stuff~ Paws, muzzle, tails, hind legs... I'm utterly in love with all of those features that makes up a cute quadruped... x3 I could even be gay for some of the artwork I'v seen! Tail holes and sheaths are just too cool~ x3 And it gets to a point where I don't care if it's male or female... It's just too cute and I HAVE to pleasure it every possible way I can! x3 All that I am is just so, so entirely drawn to those cute furry things~ :3

Oh yes, I read that message on galacticmessages.com site :3 It's all so very true hehe... I have made it practice for entire my life to do such a thing I believe though, and I come to terms with such things whenever they arise, so theirs not much personal work for me to do in the way of all that! >^.^<

I think you need to mention their on your site though that those loving bonds we share with people that can NEVER be taken away or severed... It's not only that people get too attached, it's that they feel as though they are LOSING something if someone die or if they leave them! But that connection is ALWAYS present and you always have that person with you if you know how to acknowledge and contact them yeah know? ;3 And even if you do happen to lose touch for whatever reason? You WILL meet again... It's not the end! :3 And yes, in the mean time there are limitless amounts of other people to love equally as much! :3

If you study the languages of all African nations, you find within the languages of our people words which are similar to Oriental, Middle-Eastern, and even Native American words. And the word Imanujela means "the Lord who came". A word that anyone can discover in Rwanda, amongst the Rwandan Hutu and Watusi people, is very similar to the Herbrew word Immanuel, which means "the Lord is with us". Imanujela, "the ones who came, the Lords who are here".

Our people believe, sir, that we, the people of this Earth, are not masters of our own lives, really, although we are made to think that we are. Our people say, that is, Black people of all tribes, all of the initiated ones, all of the shamans everywhere in Africa, when they get to trust you and share their deepest secrets with you, they say that [with] the Imanujela, there is Imbulu. And there is another name by which these creatures are known. This name is Chitauli. Now, the word Chitauli means "the dictators, the ones who tell us the law". In other words, "they who tell us, secretly, what we are to do". Now, it is said that these Chitauli did a number of things to us when they came to this planet.

Great Zulu Shaman and Elder
CREDO MUTWA
On Alien Abduction & Reptilians

A Rare, Astonishing Conversation
9/30/99 by Rick Martin

It has often been said that the Native Elders of any given tribe hold the keys to knowledge. This statement has never been more clearly confirmed than in the recent interview I had the great privilege to conduct with Zulu "Sanusi" (Shaman) Credo Mutwa, now nearing eighty years of age.

Through the efforts and assistance of David Icke, I was able to establish contact with Dr. Johan Joubert, who graciously coordinated with Credo Mutwa, thus allowing the interview to take place by telephone, literally half-way around the world in South Africa. We at The SPECTRUM would like to convey our deepest appreciation to both David Icke and to Dr. Joubert for their selfless efforts at getting this man’s Truth out to the world.

I first heard about Credo Mutwa five years ago, only at that time it didn’t seem possible to speak with him directly by telephone, as he lives in a somewhat remote area with no phone. When I heard from David Icke that he had spent time with Credo Mutwa and that he would be willing to speak with The SPECTRUM, well, that’s all it took. Through the wonder of the international telephone lines, on August 13 we had what turned out to be a 4-hour session! And no, we are not about to pare it down to "sound bite" size. The words he has spoken will appear completely and in full context, as is our usual policy-a matter of respect for the speaker as well as simply being good, honest journalism!

Credo Mutwa is a man whom David Icke describes as: "The most amazing and knowledgeable man it has been my privilege and honor to call a friend, a genius." After speaking with Credo Mutwa, I couldn’t agree more.

I would like to comment that Credo Mutwa, while not a man of formal education, was kind enough and conscientious enough to spell all of the Zulu or African words, proper names, etc. for this article. Those of you who may be African scholars will find this level of accuracy more advantageous to your research than will the average reader, however such care taken by Credo is yet another facet of his honesty and precision.

If you feel that you have read some material lately that stretches your thinking and challenges some belief systems, this interview will take you one step beyond. As always, Truth is stranger than fiction. As well, Truth-or pieces of Truth revealed to any one of us-are part of a larger mosaic, and thus it is up to each of us to arrive at our own conclusions concerning the Truth that others have to share with us.

We are honored to have this opportunity to present Credo Mutwa’s experiences and knowledge with you. It is a most rare and much appreciated opportunity.

The astonishing information presented by Credo Mutwa is certainly thought provoking and far-reaching in both implications and scope. Once you read this information you will more readily understand why there have been attempts to silence him. Similarly, you will more deeply appreciate Credo’s courage for coming forth and speaking truth, no matter the consequences to self.

So, without further introductory commentary, let the interview begin.



Martin: First of all, let me say it is an honor and a privilege to speak with you, and I would like to thank and acknowledge David Icke and Dr. Joubert, without whose help we would not be having this conversation today.

Our readers are aware of the existence of the shape-shifting reptilian extraterrestrials, and what I would like to discuss with you concerns the specifics of their presence, their leadership, their agenda, and their methods of operation at this time.

So, the first question I would like to ask you is: Can you confirm that shape-shifting reptilian extraterrestrials do, in fact, exist on our planet at this time? And if they do, if you can confirm this, will you please be specific about them. Where do they come from?

Credo Mutwa: Sir, can your newspaper send people to Africa?

Martin: I’m sorry, can you repeat that?

Credo Mutwa: Can your newspaper kindly send somebody to Africa in the near future?

Martin: We are financially not able to do that at this time, but that may change in the future.

Credo Mutwa: Because there are some things that I would, please, like your newspaper to check-out, independent of me. You have heard of the country called Rwanda, in Central Africa?

Martin: Yes.

Credo Mutwa: The people of Rwanda, the Hutu people, as well as the Watusi people, state, and they are not the only people in Africa who state this, that their very oldest ancestors were a race of beings whom they called the Imanujela, which means "the Lords who have come". And some tribes in West Africa, such as a Bambara people, also say the same thing. They say that they came from the sky, many, many generations ago, a race of highly advanced and fearsome creatures which looked like men, and they call them Zishwezi. The word Zishwezi means the dival or the glidal-creatures that can glide down from the sky or glide through water.

Everybody, sir, has heard about the Dogon people in Western Africa who all say that they were given culture by the normal beings, but they are not-the Dogon people are but ONE of many, many peoples in Africa who claim that their tribe or their king were first founded by the supernatural race of creatures that came from the sky.

Are you still with me, sir?

Martin: Oh yes, very much so. Please continue.

Credo Mutwa: Sir, I can go on and on, but let me bring you to my people, the Zulu people of South Africa.

Martin: Please.

Credo Mutwa: The Zulu people, who are famous as a warrior people, the people to whom King Shaka Zulu, of the last century, belonged. When you ask a South African White anthropologist what the name of Zulu means, he will say it means "the sky" (laughter), and therefore the Zulu call themselves "people of the sky". That, sir, is non-sense. In the Zulu language, our name for the sky, the blue sky, is sibakabaka. Our name for inter-planetary space, however, is izulu and the weduzulu, which means "inter-planetary space, the dark sky that you see with stars in it every night", also has to do with traveling, sir. The Zulu word for traveling at random, like a nomad or a gypsy, is izula.

Now, you can see that the Zulu people in South Africa were aware of the fact that you can travell through space-not through the sky like a bird-but you can travell through space, and the Zulus claim that many, many thousands of years ago there arrived, out of the skies, a race of people who were like lizards, people who could change shape at will. And people who married their daughters to a walking (extraterrestrial), and produced a power race of Kings and tribal Chiefs, there are hundreds of fairy-tales, sir, in which a lizard female assumes the identity of a human princess and poses as her, and gets married to a Zulu Prince.

Every school child in South Africa, sir, knows about the story of a princess called Khombecansini. Khombecansini was to have married a handsome Prince called Kakaka, a name which means "the enlightened one". Now, one day while Khombecansini was gathering firewood in the bush, she met a creature called an Imbulu. And this Imbulu was a lizard which has the body and the limbs of a human being, but a long tail. And this lizard spoke to Princess Khombecansini, "Oh, how beautiful you are, girl, I wish I could be like you. I wish I could look like you. Can I come close to you?" said the Imbulu lizard woman to the princess.

And the princess said, "Yes, you can."

And as the lizard, which was a taller one, came close to the girl, she spat into the girl’s eyes and she began to change. That is, the lizard suddenly changed into a human shape and this lizard began to look more and more and more and more like the girl, with the exception of her long, pointed tail. And then, with her sudden burst of violence, the lizard woman sealed the princess and removed all her bangles and her beads and her wedding skirt off her, and she put them on. Thus, the lizard became the princess.

Now there were two identical women in the bush, the shape-shifted lizard woman and the original woman. And the lizard woman said to the original woman, "Now you are my slave. Now you are going to accompany me to the marriage. I will be you and you will be my slave, come-on!" She took a stick and started beating up the poor princess. And then she went, accompanied by other girls who were bride’s maids, according to Zulu custom, and she arrived at Prince Kakaka’s village. But, before they reached the village she had to do something about her tail, that is, the shape-shifting woman had, somehow, to hide the tail. So, she forced the princess to weave a net out of fiber and she tucked the tail in and she tied it tight to herself. She now looked like a Zulu woman with attractive, very big buttocks, when seen from outside.

And then, when she arrived and she became the wife of the prince, a strange thing started happening in the village. All of the milk started disappearing because each night the shape-shifting princess, the false princess, used to release her tail, which used to suck in all of the sour milk through a hole at the tip of the tail. And the mother-in-law said, "What is this? Why is the milk disappearing?" Then, she said, "No, I see, there is an Imbulu amongst us."

The mother-in-law, who was a clever old lady, said, "A hole must be dug in the front of the village and it must be filled with milk." And this was done. And then, all of the girls who had come with the false princess were told to jump over this hole. One after the other one, they jumped. And when the shape-shifter was forced, at spear-point, to jump as well, as she jumped her long tail burst out of the net under her skirt and started slurping the milk through the hole, and the warriors killed the shape-shifter. And thus, the real Princess Khombecansini became the wife of the king-of King Kakaka.

Now, sir, this story has got many versions in it. Throughout South Africa, amongst many tribes, you’ll find stories of these amazing creatures who are capable of changing from reptile to human being, and from reptile to any other animal of their choice. And these creatures, sir, do really exist. No matter where you go throughout Southern, Eastern, Western, and Central Africa, you’ll find that the description of these creatures is the same. Even amongst tribes which never, throughout their long history, had contact with each other at all.

So, there ARE such creatures. Where they come from, I will never claim to know, sir. But they are associated with certain stars in the sky, and one of these stars is a large group of stars which is part of the Milky Way, which our people call Ingiyab, which means "The Great Serpent". And there is a red star, a redish star, near the tip of this huge rim of stars which our people call IsoneNkanyamba.

Now, this star called IsoneNkanyamba, I managed to find its English name. It is the star called Alpha Centauri, in English. Now, this, sir, is something that is worth investigating. Why is it that well over 500 tribes in parts of Africa which I’ve visited in the last 40 or 50 years or so, all of them describe similar creatures?

It is said that these creatures feed on us human beings; that they, at one time, challenged God Himself to war, because they wanted full control of the universe. And God fought a terrible battle against them and He defeated them, injured them, and forced them to hide in cities underground.

They hide in deep cavities underground, because they are always feeling cold. In these cavities, we are told, there are huge fires which are kept going by slaves, human, zombie-like slaves. And, it is further said that these Zuswazi, these Imbulu, or whatever you choose to call them, are not capable of eating solid food. They either eat human blood, or they eat that power, the energy that is generated when human beings, on the surface of the Earth, are fighting and killing each other in large numbers.

I met people who have fled from the early Masaki in Rwanda, from years ago, and these people were horrified by what was happening in their country. They said that the slaughter of the Hutus by the Watusi, and the Watusi by the Hutus, is actually feeding the Imanujela, monsters. Because the Imanujela like to inhale the energy that is generated by masses of people being terrified or being killed by other people.

Are you still with me, sir?

Martin: Yes, I’m completely with you.

Credo Mutwa: Now, let me point out an interesting thing, sir. If you study the languages of all African nations, you find within the languages of our people words which are similar to Oriental, Middle-Eastern, and even Native American words. And the word Imanujela means "the Lord who came". A word that anyone can discover in Rwanda, amongst the Rwandan Hutu and Watusi people, is very similar to the Herbrew word Immanuel, which means "the Lord is with us". Imanujela, "the ones who came, the Lords who are here".

Our people believe, sir, that we, the people of this Earth, are not masters of our own lives, really, although we are made to think that we are. Our people say, that is, Black people of all tribes, all of the initiated ones, all of the shamans everywhere in Africa, when they get to trust you and share their deepest secrets with you, they say that [with] the Imanujela, there is Imbulu. And there is another name by which these creatures are known. This name is Chitauli. Now, the word Chitauli means "the dictators, the ones who tell us the law". In other words, "they who tell us, secretly, what we are to do". Now, it is said that these Chitauli did a number of things to us when they came to this planet.

Please forgive me, but I must share this story with you. It is one of the strangest stories that you find everywhere in Africa in shamanic secret societies and other places where the remnant of our ancient knowledge and wisdom are still preserved. It is that, originally, the Earth was covered by a very thick blanket of fog or mist. That people could not actually see the Sun in the sky, except as a nimble of light. And they also saw the Moon at night as a gentle claw of light in the sky, because there was this heavy mist. And the rain was always falling in a steady drizzle. There was no thunder, however. There were no storms.

The world was thickly covered with great forests, great jungles, and people lived in peace on Earth at that time. People were happy and it is said, at that time, we human beings did not have the power of speech. We only made funny sounds like happy monkeys and baboons, but we did not have speech as we now have it. And in those centuries, people spoke to each other through their mind.

A man could call his wife thinking about her, thinking about the shape of her face, the smell of her body, and the feel of hair as a woman. That a hunter would go out into the bush and call out for animals to come, and the animals would select one of their number which was old and tired, and this animal would offer itself to the hunter so that he may kill it quickly and take it as meat to his cave.

There was no violence against animals. There was no violence against Nature by human beings at that time. Man used to ask for food from Nature. He used to come to a tree and think about fruit, and the tree would allow some of its fruit to fall to the ground, and man would take it.

And then it is said, however, that when the Chitauli came to Earth, they arrived in terrible vessels which flew through the air, vessels which were shaped like great bowls and which made a terrible noise and a terrible fire in the sky. And the Chitauli told human beings, whom they gathered together by force with whips of lightning, that they were great gods from the sky and that from now on they would receive a number of great gifts from the god. These so-called gods, who were like human beings, but very tall, with a long tail, and with terrible burning eyes, some of them had two eyes-yellow, bright eyes-some had three eyes, the red, round eye being in the center of their forehead. These creatures then took away the great powers that human beings had: the power of speaking through the mind only, the power of moving objects with their mind only, the power of seeing into the future and into their past, and the power to travell, spiritually, to different worlds.

All of these great powers the Chitauli took away from human beings and they gave human beings a new power, now, the power of speech. But, human beings found, to their horror, that the power of speech divided human beings, instead of uniting them, because the Chitauli cunningly created different languages, and they caused a great quarrel between people. Also, the Chitauli did something which has never been done before: they gave human beings people to rule over them, and they said, "These are your kings, these are your chiefs. They have our blood in them. They are our children, and you must listen to these people because they will speak on our behalf. If you don’t, we are going punish you very terribly."

Before the coming of the Chitauli, before the coming of the Imbulu creatures, human beings were spiritually one. But when the Chitauli came, human beings became divided, both spiritually as well as by language.

And then, human beings were given strange new feelings by the Chitauli. Human beings started to feel unsafe, and so they started making villages with very strong fences of wood around them. Human beings started becoming country makers. In other words, they started creating tribes and tribe lands, which had borders, which they defended against any possible enemy. Human beings became ambitious and greedy and they wanted to acquire wealth in the form of cattle, and sea shells.

And, another thing the Chitauli forced human beings to do, they forced human beings to mine into the Earth. The Chitauli activated human women and made them to discover minerals and metals of certain types. Women discovered copper; women discovered gold; women discovered silver. And, eventually, they were guided by the Chitauli to alloy these metals and to create new metals which had never existed in Nature before, metals such as bronze and brass and others.

Now, the Chitauli, further, removed the sacred rain-bringing mist from the sky and for the first time since creation, human beings looked up and saw stars, and the Chitauli told human beings that they have been wrong in believing that God dwelt under the Earth. "From now on," the Chitauli told people of this Earth, "the people of Earth must believe that God is in Heaven and they must do things here on Earth which would please this God who is in Heaven."

You see, originally, human beings had believed that God was underground, that she was a very great mother who dwelt under the Earth because they saw all the green things growing from under the Earth-the grass came from below ground, the trees grew from below ground, and the people had believed, therefore, that the dead people who died go underground. But when the Chitauli turned humans’ eyes towards the sky, people started believing, now, that God is in the sky and that those who die from this Earth don’t go underground, but go up into the sky.

And to this day, sir, throughout Africa wherever you go as an investigator, you will find this amazing-these two amazing ideas which conflict with each other.

Many African tribes believe in what is called Midzimu or Badimo. Now, the word Midzimu or Badimo means "them who are in the sky". But, in Zulu-land, amongst my people, you find this amazing schism going hand-in-hand. There are Zulus who believe that the dead ones are the Abapansi, which means "the ones who are below, who are under the Earth". Then there is another idea which says Abapezulu. The word Abapezulu means "those who are above", and the word Abapansi, which is the oldest name for the spirits of the dead, means "they who are under the Earth".

So, even today, sir, all over Africa amongst hundreds of tribes, you find this strange double-belief that the dead go into the sky, and side-by-side with the belief that the dead die and go under the Earth. This belief that the dead die and go under the Earth is said to date to the days when our people believed that God was a woman, the great Cosmic Mother. And, it is contrasted by the Abapezulu belief that God is a man who dwells in the sky.

Now, sir, another thing that the Chitauli told our people, it is said, is that we human beings are here on Earth to change the Earth and to make it suitable for "God" to come down one day and dwell in it. And it is said that they who work to change this Earth and make it safe for the serpent god, the Chitauli, to come and dwell in it, will be rewarded with great power and with great wealth.

Sir, as I have watched over many years of study, over many years of initiation of the mysteries of African shamanism, wisdom, and knowledge, I have found myself wondering why we human beings are actually destroying the Earth on which we live. We are doing something which is only done by one other species of animal, namely, the African elephant, which utterly destroys every tree in the place in which it dwells.

We human beings are doing exactly this. And wherever you go in Africa, where once there were great ancient civilizations, you find desert. For example, there is the Kalahari desert in South Africa, and under the sands of that desert, I have found the ruins of ancient cities, which means that human beings turned this stretch of land, which was once green and fertile, into a desert. And, in days when I was with explorers and safari people in the Sahara regions of Africa, I also found evidence of unbelievably ancient human habitation in places where there is nothing now but angry rock and whispering sand.

In other words, the Sahara Desert was once a fertile country and was turned into a desert by human beings. Why? I must ask myself, again and again, why are human beings being driven by insecurity, greed, and lust of power to turn the Earth into a desert in which, ultimately, no human being would ever be able to live? Why?

Although we are all aware of the terrible dangers that this will bring about, why are we cutting huge areas of jungle in Africa? Why are we on Earth carrying out the instructions which the Chitauli programmed into us? Although my mind refuses to accept this, the answer is a terrible yes, yes, yes.

Amongst the many people of wisdom who honor me with their friendship, is a man of great knowledge who lives in Israel, Dr. Sitchin. [Editor’s note: This reference is to Dr. Zecharia Sitchin, author of many provocative bookss about the interaction of extraterrestrial peoples with Earth humans in very ancient times.] According to the ancient bookss which were written by the people of Sumeria, out of clay, gods came out of the sky and forced human beings to work for them, to mine gold for them. This story is confirmed by African legends throughout Africa, that gods came out of the sky and made us into their slaves, and they made us into slaves in such a way that we would never realize that we are slaves.

One other thing that our people say is that the Chitauli prey upon us like vultures. They raise some of us, they fill some of us with great anger and great ambition, and they make these people they’ve raised into great warriors who make terrible war. But, in the end, the Chitauli do not allow these great leaders, these great war chiefs and kings, to die peacefully. The warrior chief is used to make as much war as possible, to kill as many of his people, and those he calls enemies, as possible, and then, in the end, the warrior chief dies a terrible death, with his blood being spilled by others.

And this phenomenon I have seen in my people’s history, again and again and again. Our great King Shaka Zulu, he fought over 200 great wars during the reign of some 30-something years. And then, he was slaughtered and he died a violent death. He died a broken man who, because of the death of his mother, had no longer the power to win any more battles.

And, before Shaka Zulu, there was another king who trained Shaka to become the great king that he was. That king’s name was Dingiswayo. Dingiswayo had fought great wars trying to unite the Zulu people into one great tribe. He had seen the White people of the Cape and he thought that, by uniting his people into one huge nation, he would be able to repel the threat to his people which the White people posed. But, what happened was, after winning many battles of uniting many tribes, King Dingiswayo suddenly became striken by an eye disease which made him almost blind. And he hid this secret that he could no longer see. But, that terrible secret was discovered by a woman, a queen of another tribe, called Ntombazi. Ntombazi took a battle ax and beheaded Dingiswayo with one blow, after she had lured him into her hut and given him food and beer to drink.

There is also a similar phenomenon with great White leaders: Napoleon, in Europe, who died a miserable death on his lonely island in the Atlantic Ocean; Hitler, also in Europe, who died a terrible death by putting the gun in the mouth and killing himself, we are told; Attila the Hun, who was killed by a woman, and many other great leaders who came to a sticky end after giving as much death and misery to as many people as they could.

King Shaka was stabbed to death by his half-brother, who used on him the same type of spear that he had designed to kill people as quickly as possible. And, Julius Caesar also met a similar fate after he, like our Shaka Zulu, had conquered many nations.

Always the warrior hero dies a death that he, really, should not die. King Arthur, in England, was killed by his own son, Mordred after a long and courageous reign. I could go on and on and on.

Now, all these things, if you bring them together, they show that whether people laugh at this or not, whether people scoff at this or not, there is a certain power that is guiding we human beings toward the dark river of self-destruction. And the sooner many of us become aware of this, the better, perhaps, we might be able to deal with it.

Martin: Do you believe that these beings are around the world equally, or are they primarily focused in Africa?

Credo Mutwa: Sir, I believe that these creatures are everywhere on Earth, and with respect, sir, although I hate talking about myself so much, I am a person who has traveled to many parts of the world. I have been to your country, the United States, sir. I have been to Australia. I have been to Japan, amongst other countries.

And no matter where I have gone, sir, I have found people telling me about creatures like this. For example, in 1997, I visited Australia, sir, and I traveled a lot to try and find the Black people of Australia, the Aborigine. And when I did find them, they told me a number of things that astonished me very, very much. The same things that I’d found in Japan, I found in Taiwan. Everywhere where there are still shaman and traditional healers, you find these amazing stories.

Now, let me tell you, sir, what I found in Australia alone. This, that the Australian Aborigine people, who call themselves Coorie, which means "our people": The Coorie people of Australia believe in a great creating god called Byamie, sir. A Coorie shaman, in fact, several of them, drew me pictures of this Byamie, and one of them showed me a rock painting representing this strange creator god who came out of the stars. And when they placed their drawing in front of me, what they showed was a Chitauli. I recognized it from my African initiation. It had a large head. It had large eyes, which were stressed by the artist. It had no mouth, and it had long arms and incredibly long legs. Sir, this was a typical depiction of a Chitauli which I knew from my own people in Africa.



I asked myself "Why?" Here I am in a country many thousands of miles away from Africa, and here I am seeing a being known as the Biamai or Bimi, who is a creature with which I, the African, am familiar.

Amongst the Native American people, sir, I found, for example, amongst certain tribes in America, tribes such as the Hopi people, and those people who stay in those buildings called a pueblo, I found that these people-they have got what are called Katchina creatures, where people wear masks and disguise themselves as certain creatures. And some of these Katchinas are very, very tall, with a huge round head.

Exactly as we have in Africa, I found similar creatures in America. In Africa we call these creatures Egwugwu, or, we call them by another name, called Chinyawu. The Katchina of the Native American people, and the Chinyawu of our people, are identical beings. Now, why should this be? When were American Native people and Africans in contact? When? This is one of the greatest mysteries of all time, sir. It is one of many things that I found throughout the world which left me utterly amazed.

There ARE such creatures, and the sooner skeptics amongst us face up to this fact, the better it shall be. Why is human-kind not progressing? Why are we running around in a great circle of self-destruction and mutual-destruction?

People are basically good; I believe this. People don’t want to start wars. People don’t want to destroy the world in which they stay, but there are creatures, or there is power that is driving we human beings toward self-annihilation. And the sooner we recognize this, the better.

Just now, I live in Africa. Here are my people. Here is my home. But I see Africa being destroyed in wars that make no sense whatsoever to me as an African. I look at India which, like Africa, suffered the scourge of colonialism by the French, the English, and other European powers. But India, through her independence as a country, has achieved the things which we, Africa, have failed to achieve. Why?

India has exploded the atomic bomb and is today one of the feared nations of this world. India has launched satellites into orbit. India, although she has the same problems as Africa has-a burgeoning population, religion as well as tribal strife-although India has got an incredibly poor section of her population, as well as an incredibly rich one, she has achieved things that Africa has failed to achieve.

Now, I ask myself "Why? Why?" Because India was established by people from Africa, and I don’t think, sir, as the Black races about this. This is a fact that, thousands of years ago, people from Africa laid the foundation of the greatest civilization of India, as well as other countries in Southeast Asia. There is overwhelming archeological evidence of this. But, why is Africa drowning in war, in disease, and in hunger? Why?

Many times, sir, I sit in my hut and I cry when I see diseases like AIDS destroying us; when I see senseless wars destroying those countries in Africa which had thrived for thousands of years.

Say, Ethiopia is a country that has been free for thousands of years. Ethiopia was once the school of all of Africa. Nigeria was once a great country with a long tradition of self-government-long, long before the White man came to Africa. But today, all of these countries and many others are being destroyed.

Today, sir, there are parts of Africa which have been totally depopulated by war and by the disease called AIDS, a disease which shows every sign of being a man-made disease. I ask myself, "Who or what is destroying Africa, and why?"

Because there are tribes in those villages I lived in, who assisted my search for knowledge, before the Second World War and after. But today these tribes no longer exist anymore. They are gone, dispersed, totally exterminated in senseless wars that gain the Black people nothing.

I am in South Africa now. Here I was born, and here I was to die. But I see my country falling apart like a rotting mango. South Africa was once a powerful country. She had a powerful army. She had huge industries, which were producing everything from locomotives to little radios. But today my country has become a drug-sodden, crime-ridden piece of rubbish. Why? A country doesn’t get destroyed almost overnight, unless there are definite forces which are determined to obliterate it.

I recently saw, sir, the destruction of another country inside South Africa. The country is Lesotho. This country, Lesotho, is inhabited by some of the oldest and the wisest tribes in South Africa. Amongst them is a tribe called the Bakwama. The Bakwama people are so ancient that they actually describe to you a mysterious land of huge pointed mountains, a mysterious land ruled by a great god, who had the head of a human being and the body of the lion. [One immediately thinks of the Sphinx in Egypt.

The Bakwama call this country Ntswama-tfatfi. This land that they name Ntswama-tfatfi means "the land of the Sun-hawk". The hawk is the bird of prey in Heaven-you know? Now, these Bakwama people did, in South Africa, know about the land of Egypt where they say their ancestors came from. And they call this mysterious land of the gods, "the land of the Sun-hawk, or the Sun-eagle", which is exactly how the Egyptians portrayed their country, sir. They portrayed it as "the land of Hor", the god Horus in Greece.

Now, when Princess Diana died, in 1997, I was one of the first Black people to suspect that Princess Diana had been murdered, and I will tell you why this thing happened, sir. Because, about a year or 8 months before Diana died, there died a king in Lesotho, King Moshoeshoe II. King Moshoeshoe II’s death was detail-for-detail identical to Princess Diana’s death.

Consider this please, all of you who might find my words incredible: Princess Diana died in a tunnel, but the king of Lesotho died in a ravine. He had gone far away to investigate a problem in his cattle ranch. It was found that he was overdue, and when the people went to search for him, they heard from various boys who were looking after the cattle in the Basotho-land mountains, that the boys had heard what sounded like a rifle shot, and when the men went to look where the rifle shot had sounded, they found the king’s car off the road and deep in the ravine. They went down their and they found that the king of Lesotho was in his car. He was strapped in a safety belt, but he had a terrible injury at the back of his head. And they found that the king’s driver was dead at the steering wheel. But, the two men who were the king’s bodyguards, who were riding in the king’s vehicle in the seat directly behind the king, had escaped without a scratch. One of the men entered the car and pulled out the dying king. The king apologized to them for messing-up their hands with his blood, which was a tradition, that a dying king must thank the people who are trying to get him out of where he is. And he must apologize to them for putting them into trouble, because anyone who handles the sacred blood of the king is in spiritual trouble of some kind after that.

Then, when the king’s car was brought out of the ravine, it was found that there was a hole, like a bullet hole, in one of the tires of the car. And that car’s tire was mysteriously removed, afterwards, when the king’s car was stored not in a safe place, but in a yard outside where anybody could get at it. And, when an autopsy was conducted on the body of the driver of the king’s car, it was found that the man had been so drunk as to not have been able to drive the car at all. And third, the man who had driven the king’s car and who died at the wheel had not been the man who usually drives the king’s car.

Now, sir, do you see this mystery now? The death of the Lesotho king matched that of Princess Diana, which was to follow it. In many other amazing details than I have detailed now, and so the nation of Lesotho was reduced to a retch after the king’s death, when rioting took place as a result of a general election which provisional party members prospected and controlled.

Today Lesotho is an economically moribund nation. And Lesotho is a country which was the place of a strange experiment-an experiment which consisted of the building of a huge dam, whose purpose was to supply South Africa, and not Lesotho, with large quantities of water. And we have recently heard ugly rumors emanating from that country, that somebody was bribed to facilitate the building of this huge dam where the water of a small nation is being used to supply, to supplement the water supplies of a highly industrialized nation.

There are many strange things, sir, which have taken place in South Africa, and are taking place, as well as in other parts of Africa, which make no sense to me as an African. There are wars which take place in Africa, where after an African country has gained its independence from the colonial power, then a force of rebels pick up weapons against that country’s government, but instead of the rebels fighting the government to the bitter end, what happens again and again is that the rebel forces split into various groups which end up fighting not only the government in power, but also each other. And the result is that, in several African countries, the country is so destroyed that, no matter which party wins, the people lose. The United Nations are caused to be called in, in order to create some semblance of peace. In other words, Africans have now started fighting wars which bring about not victory, but the destruction of themselves, as well as their people.

I would like to draw your attention, sir, to the senseless tide which is still raging in the Sudan, as well as other parts of Africa. I would like to draw your attention, sir, to the longest and most terrible civil war which is destroying the southern parts of the Sudan. I would like to draw your attention, and that of your readers, sir, to the terrible war which is destroying Angola. And one part of the world, to the East of Southern Africa, has been so raped by many years of war that there are now places where you don’t even hear a bird-thing. All living forms of life have been wiped-out in that place. Now, why?

And then, I have found that these countries that are being destroyed by senseless wars which are totally out of character for us Africans, and I speak as an African, are those countries which, had they been left alone, could have supplied the whole of Africa with food, with water, and with valuable minerals. I am told, sir, that under the surface of Angola, under the plains of Angola, are deposits of coal which are without equal in this world. I am further told that in parts of Angola there are deposits of oil which are second only to those reserves of oil which are in the Middle East.

The Sudan is a country which I visited several times during, and even after, the Second World War. In the Sudan there was so much food that you received free food from the villagers, as you traveled through the Sudan. Today, southern Sudan is a starvation-torn, battle of rage hellhole where children die of diarrhea in the bush while the vultures and buzzards wait on the branches of trees to feast. Africa is being systematically and deliberately destroyed by a power of such relentlessness that it is continuing the destruction even now.

But, this power is getting desperate.

Martin: Excuse me. Did you say there was coal in Angola or gold?

Credo Mutwa: Coal, sir, coal. There are diamondss in Angola, sir. And I have learned from reliable people that there is more oil under Angola, in certain places, than there is in certain parts of the Middle East.

Is this what Africa is being destroyed for? Is this what our nations are being slaughtered for-for coal under the surface, for diamondss? If so, who is this intelligence that is behind this? Are people less valuable than minerals? Are people less valuable than oil?

Because, sir, genocide, worse than anything that Hitler ever committed upon the Jewish people, is taking place in Africa NOW, and the people of America don’t seem to care a damn. Why? We are the best friends that the United States has got. We are the best people. We buy American products. Our children want to look like American children. Our kids wear jeans, sir, and they even speak with American accents, because you American people are our role model. Why are you allowing us to be slaughtered? Why? Why?

Not only are we being killed by war, sir, we are being killed by drugs. There were no drugs in South Africa during the days of the apartheid government. Now, under our democratic government, our country has become one drug-sodden cess pit. Why?

Today, sir, and I speak as a traditional shaman, one of my purposes is to try and help people with a drug problem. Sir, I can help a young African who is abusing marijuana or hashish. I can help a young African who is dependent upon Dakwa. But, sir, I am useless, my skills are rubbish and I fail again-and so do many like me-to help young Black people who are addicted to a new type of drug which is called "crack". It is a hard-looking drug. It’s like hardened chocolate when you see it, and this thing is so addictive that no shaman can help a young victim of this drug.

I am asking the people of the United States of America, I am asking my Black brothers and my Black sisters over there, why are you allowing the country which is your mother to be exterminated?

I don’t care what skeptics say, sir. Please forgive me when I really get hot under the collar. I don’t care what skeptics say, but there IS a force destroying Africa and I am not buying the nonsense that it is the bankers of the IMF and other big banks. You don’t kill the goose that gives you the golden egg, so why would the bankers want to destroy Africa? There is another force behind these people, a terrible, alien force, which does things behind the scenes which-and the sooner we recognize this, the better-sir, it is very common for human beings who are in trouble to blame forces other than those inside themselves.

But, I have studied the situation in Africa since the end of the Second World War, and before, and I have evidence that points to an alien force at work in Africa.

What, who is wiping out Africa’s oldest tribes?

Please, sir, let me tell you a thing that cuts my soul. May I please?

Martin: Please, continue.

Credo Mutwa: Please, I’m sorry to talk so much. Please forgive me. I belong to the Zulu nation, a nation of warriors, a nation of wise people. My people, sir, have never been studied by White anthropologists thoroughly, but the Zulu people knew things that, if I were to share with your readers, they would be amazed.

Let me show you this. The Zulu people KNEW, amongst many things, that it is the Earth which moves around the Sun, and not the other way around. They said, to explain this thing to the initiated, that the Earth is a feminine creature and the Sun is a male creature, and, therefore, the Earth is the mobile one who dances around the Sun-the beautiful princess who dances around the fiery king who is the Sun. Our people knew that the Earth was a sphere. Our people knew about germs and their function. When the White man came to Africa, where did this incredible knowledge come from? I do not know.

The people of America and the people of Europe say that it was Albert Einstein who came out with the idea that time and space are one and the same thing. My answer to that is, "No!"

My people, the Zulus, knew that space and time was one thing. In the language of the Zulu, one of the names for space is umkati. And the Zulu name for time is isikati. Now, our people knew that space and time were one and the same thing, hundreds of years before Einstein’s birth.

And furthermore, our people believed, like the Dogon people, that there are 24 planets in our part of space which are inhabited by intelligent creatures of various states. And, this knowledge has never been recorded in any book, and I and my aunt are the only surviving high sanusi [shaman] in South Africa who are the keepers of this knowledge. My aunt is still alive. She is about 90-something years old, and I am now close to dead, suffering from diabeetes-a terrible killer of African people nowadays.

And, what I am trying to tell you is that, although my people had this tremendous knowledge, which has never been written down in any book, the Zulu people today, a huge percentage of them, are victims of HIV or outright AIDS. And it has been calculated, sir, in the next 50 years, fully three-fourths of the Zulu people in Natal are going to die. And I am the keeper of sacred objects which I inherited from my grandfather. I am, from my mother’s side, a direct descendant of the last true Zulu king, Dingame. And, my duty should be to protect my people from anything that threatens their existence.

Look, please, sir. Anyone who studies humanity with love, with understanding, and with care, recognizes the fact that there is a shining God which is struggling to be born within each and every one of us. We are trying to fight back, although many of us are not yet aware of this. We are developing an attitude of wanting to protect our planet, no matter who or what we are.

There are chiefs in Africa who fine you very heavily if they see you destroying a tree unnecessarily. This thing was common in the past, but it disappeared with the coming of the White people; but now it has come back again.

Man is becoming, is struggling to become a more advanced, more caring being, and the aliens are not going to take this lying down. They are going to cause us to kill each other, again. And I am worried about what is going to happen.

Sir, I can show you many strange things that African people did to protect themselves against the Grey aliens. The things that our people did were not the result of superstition. They were the result of terrible personal experience.

One day I hope to share with you, sir, the story of how I got "taken", we say. We believe, sir, that the Mantindane ("the tormentor"), the Greys, are really servants of the Chitauli. And that they, contrary to what White people think-White people think a wrong thing, sir, many-that the Mantindane are experimenting with us. They are NOT. I repeat, they are not.

Anyone who has been through the hells of these beings will tell you that there is nothing experimental in what they do. There is a cold, cold, cold-blooded resolve, and they are not doing what they do to us for themselves, they are doing what they do to us for greater creatures than they are. Please, sir, can you give me a little time to share with you, briefly, what happened to me?

Martin: Oh yes, absolutely, please. We have all the time you need.

Credo Mutwa: Sir, it was an ordinary day, like any other day. It was a beautiful day in the eastern mountains of Zimbabwe, which are called Inyangani. These are mountains to the East of Zimbabwe.

Now, I had been instructed by my teacher to go and find a special herb which we were going to use in the healing of a certain initiate who was badly ill. And my teacher, a woman called Mrs. Moyo, was Ndebele, from Zimbabwe, once known as Rhodesia.

I was looking for this herb, and I was not thinking about anything, and I had no belief whatsoever in these creatures. I had never encountered them before, and although we African people believe in many things, I was mighty skeptical, even about certain entities that we believed in at that time, because I had never encountered anything like that before.

And all of a sudden, sir, I noticed that the temperature around me had dropped, although it was a very hot African day. I suddenly noticed that it was now cold and there was, what appeared to be, a bright blue mist swirling all around me, getting between me and the eastern landscape. I remember wondering, stupidly, what this thing meant, because I had just begun to dig one of the herbs I had found.

Suddenly, I found myself in a very strange place, a place that looked like a tunnel lined with metal. I had worked in mines before, and where I found myself appeared to be a mine tunnel which was lined with silver-greyish metal.

I was lying on what appeared to be a very heavy and very large working bench or a working table, sir. But yet, I was not chained to the table. I was just lying there and my trousers were missing, and so were the heavy boots that I always wore when I was out in the bush. And all of a sudden, in this strange, tunnel-like room, I saw what appeared to be dull, heady-looking, grey, dull-like creatures which were moving toward me.

There were lights in this place, but not lights as we know them. They seemed to be patches of glowing stuff. And there was something above the far entrance which looked like writing, that writing against the silver-grey surface, and these creatures were coming at me but I was hypnotized, just as if the witchcraft had been put upon my head.

But I watched the creatures as they were coming towards me. I didn’t know what they were. I was frightened, but I couldn’t move my arms or my legs. I just lay there like a goat on a sacrificial altar. And when the creatures came towards me, I felt fear inside me. They were short creatures, about the size of African Pigmy. They have very large heads, very thin arms, and very thin legs.

I noticed, sir, because I am an artist, a painter, that these creatures were built all wrong from an artist’s point of view. Their limbs were too long for their body, and their necks were very thin, and their heads were almost as large as full-grown watermelons. They had strange eyes, which looked like goggles of some kind. They had no noses, as we have, only small holes on either side of the raised area between their eyes. Their mouth had no lips, only thin cuts as if made by a razor.


Sumerian Statue

And while I was looking at these creatures, sir, in amazed fascination, I felt something close to my head, about my head. And when I looked up, there was another creature, a slightly bigger one than the other, and it was standing above my head and was looking down at me.

I looked up into its eyes and I was totally hypnotized, and you know, I was spellbound. I looked into the thing’s eyes and I noticed that the creature wanted me to keep looking into his eyes. I looked and saw that, through these covers over their eyes, I could see the creature’s real eyes behind this black, goggle-like cover. It’s eyes were round, with straight pupils, like those of a cat. And the thing was not moving it’s head. It was breathing; I could see that. I could see little nostrils moving, closing and shutting, but sir, if anybody says to me that I smelled like that creature, really, I would konk him one on the face.

Martin: (Laughter)

Credo Mutwa: The creature smelled like nobody’s business. It had a strange smell, a throat-tightening, chemical smell, which smelled like rotten eggs, and also like hot copper [sulfur], a very strong smell.

And the creature saw me looking at it, and it looked down at me and, all of a sudden, I felt a terrible, awful pain on my left thigh, as if a sword had been driven into my left thigh. I screamed in pain, horrible, calling out for my mother, and the creature placed it’s hand over my mouth. You know, sir, it was like-if you want to know how that felt, please sir, take the leg of a chicken, a live chicken, and place it against your lips. That was how the creature’s hand felt upon my mouth.

It had thin, long fingers, which had more joints than my human fingers have. And the thumb was in the wrong place. Each one of the fingers ended in a black claw, almost like certain African birds. The thing was telling me to be quiet. And how long the pain went on, sir, I don’t know. I screamed and I screamed and I screamed, again.



The picture above sounds like the people he saw. The lower picture looks like he has the facial structure of the one he described who was wearing the goggles. All of them are Annunaki people, but the Vodyanoi Priest is a game character based off of the Annunaki.

And then, all of a sudden, something was pulled out of my flesh, and I looked down and saw my thigh covered with blood, and I saw that one of the creatures-there were four of them, other than the one standing over my head-they wore tight fitting overalls, which were silvery-grey in color, and their flesh resembled the flesh of certain types of fish that we find in the sea off South Africa. And the creature standing above my head appeared to be a female. It was somehow different than the others. It was taller, bigger, although it didn’t have breasts like a woman, it appeared to be feminine. And the others appeared to be afraid of it, I don’t know how I can describe this.

And then, while this terrible thing was going on, another of the creatures came up to me-it walked sideways, in a slightly jerking way, as if it was drunk-it walked up along the table, to my right side, and it stood next to the one standing above my head. And before I knew what was happening, this creature stuck something that was like a small, silver, ball-point pen with a cable at one end, it pushed this thing, coldly, into my right nostril.

Sir, the pain was out of this world. Blood splattered all over. I choked and tried to scream, but the blood got into my throat. It was a nightmare. Then, it pulled the thing out and I tried to fight and sit up.

The pain was terrible, but the other thing above my head placed it’s hand upon my forehead and kept me down with very little force. I was choking and trying to spit out the blood, and then I managed to turn my head to the right to spit out the blood, which I did, and then what the creatures did to me, sir, I don’t know.

All I do know is that the pain went away, and in place of the pain, strange visions flooded my head, visions of cities, some of which I recognized from my travels-but, cities which were half-destroyed, the buildings having their tops blown away, with windows like empty eye-sockets in a human skull. I saw these visions again and again. All the buildings that I saw were half-drowned in a reddish, muddish water.

It was as if there had been a flood and the buildings were sticking up out of this great flood, partly destroyed by a disaster of some kind, and it was a terrible sight.

And then, before I knew it, one of the creatures, the one standing next to my feet, drove something into my organ of manhood, but here there was no pain, just a violent irritation, as if I was making love to something or someone.

And then, when the creature withdrew the thing, which was like a small, black tube which it had forced into my organ of manhood, I did something which produced a strange result, and I did not do it intentionally. I think it was-my bladder opened, and I urinated straight into the chest of the creature which had pulled the thing out of my organ.

And if I had shot the creature, it would never have reacted as it did. It jerked away and nearly fell, and then it recovered and staggered away like a drunken insect, and left the room. I don’t know whether my urine did it; I don’t know. But that is what happened.

Then, after a while, the other creatures went away, leaving me with a dull pain in my nostril, with blood on my thigh, and the table wet with urine. And the thing standing above my head had not moved. It just stood there with it’s right hand touching it’s left shoulder, in a strangely beautiful and feminine way. It stood there looking at me. There was no expression in its face. I never saw any of the creatures talk or make any sound of any kind. All I do know is that they appeared to be mute.

And then, out of somewhere there arrived two other creatures, one of which was made entirely out of metal. Even in my worst nightmares, I still see this creature. It was tall. It was big. And the area in which we were was too small for it. It walked with a slight stoop, moving forward, and it was definitely not a living thing. It was a metal creature, a robot of some kind. And it came and it stood near my feet, its whole body clumsily bent, looking down at me. There was no mouth. There was no nose. There were just two bright eyes, which seemed to change color, and seemed to move somehow, like the crackling of an electrical device.

And then, behind this huge, bent creature, came a creature which surprised me. It was very, very, very, very swollen, sir, in appearance. It had pink skin. It had a blondish, very human body. It had very bright, blue, slanting eyes. It had hair which looked like nylon fiber of some kind. It had high cheek-bones and an almost human mouth, with full lips and a small, pointed chin. The creature, sir, was definitely a female but like an artist and a painter, which I am, and also a sculptor, I noticed that the creature was totally out of proportion. It was wrong.

First, its breasts were thin and pointed, and set too high upon its chest, not where a normal woman’s breasts would be. Its body was powerful, almost fat, but its legs were too short and its arms were too short in proportion to the rest of its body. And it came towards me, looked down at me, and before I knew what it was doing, somehow it mated with me. It was a horrible experience, sir, even worse than what had been done to me before. But even now, the trauma of that day had affected my life even now, exactly 40 years later.

And after that, when the creatures had gone, leaving only the one creature which had been standing about my head, the creature standing about my head shook me by the hair, it gripped me by the head and forced me to stand off the table and to get off the table. I did that, and such was the state that I was in, that I fell onto my knees and hands, onto the floor.

And I noticed that that floor was strange. It had moving patterns in it, which kept on changing and shifting-purple, red, and greenish patterns, on a metal-grey background. And the creature pulled me by the hair, again, forcing me to stand up, and it pushed me roughly and made me follow it.

Sir, it would take too long for me to describe what I saw in that strange place, as the creature pushed me, roughly, from room to room. Even now my mind can’t grasp what it was that I saw. Amongst many things that I saw were huge cylindrical objects, made of what appeared to be glass of some kind. And in these object, cylinders, which reached from the roof to the floor of the place we were going through, was what appeared to be a sort-of a greyish-pink liquid. And in this liquid I saw small editions of the alien creatures floating round and round, like disgusting little frogs, inside this liquid.

I couldn’t understand what it was that I was being shown. But then, in the last room I was led through, I saw people, and other strange creatures, which, even now, my mind can’t make head or sense out of, lying on the table.

And I passed a White man, a real White man, who smelled like a human being, was smelling of sweat, urine, excrement, and fear. This White man was lying on a table like the one I had been lying on, and I looked into his eyes and he looked into mine as I went by.

And then I found myself out in the bush. I found that my trousers were missing. There was a terrible pain in my left thigh. There was a pain in my penis which was starting to swell, and when I tried to pass water, the pain was excruciating. I took off my shirt and I used it as a loin-cloth and I walked through the bush.

I first met a group of young Rhodesian Black people who guided me to my teacher’s village. And when I arrived outside that village, I smelled so horribly that every dog in the village came yapping and snarling to tear me to pieces. And it was only my teacher and her other students and the villagers who saved me on that day. My teacher and the villagers were not at all surprised by what I had to tell them. They accepted it, sir. They said to me that what had happened to me had happened to many other people before, and that I was lucky to return alive, because many people have disappeared in that part of the land, never to be seen again-White people, Black people, and so on.

Sir, I’m cutting a very long story short. In the year following, 1960, I was delivering parcels in the city of Johannesburg. You see, I was working in a curio shop, when a White man shouted at me to stop.

I assumed that the White man was a secret policeman who wanted to look into my identity documents. And when I tried to produce the documents, he told me, angrily, that he didn’t want to see my stinking documents.

Sir, he asked me this question: "Listen, where the hell have I seen you before? Who are you?"

I said, "I am nobody, sir; I am just a working man."

He said, "Don’t bullshit me, man; who the hell are you? Where did I see you before?"

And then I looked at him. I recognized him-his long, straggly, golden-brown hair, his ridiculous mustache and beard. I remembered him-his blue eyes blood-shot and naked-terror, shining upon his eyes, and his skin as pale as that of a goat.

I said, "Meneer", which is the African’s way. "Meneer-I saw you in Rhodesia in a certain place underground." And if I had hit that White man with my fist, he wouldn’t have reacted the way he did, sir. He turned away and walked with a terrible expression, and he disappeared on the other side of the street.

Now, roughly, this is what happened to me, sir, but it is not a unique experience at all.

Since that time I met many, many, many people who have had the identical experience that I said, and most of them were traditional Black men and women who can neither read nor write. They were coming to me to seek my help as a shaman, but I was, myself, looking for somebody wiser than I to tell me what had happened to me, exactly. Because, sir, when I get caught by the Mantindane, you become so traumatized, your life becomes so changed, you become so embarrassed and ashamed of yourself, you develop a self-hatred which you cannot understand, and there are subtle changes in your life which make no sense to you.

One: You develop a strange love for humankind. You want to shake everybody by the shoulders and say, "Hey, wake-up people; we are not alone. I know we are not alone!"

And, you develop a feeling that your life is no longer your own; and furthermore, you become compelled with a strange edge to move from place to place, to travell. You become worried about the future; you become worried about people.

And another thing, sir, which I hoped one day you would send people to me to see for their own self: you develop knowledge which doesn’t belong to you. You develop an understanding of space, an understanding of time and creation which makes no sense to you as a human being-it is a state, after your terrible torture, after substances have been removed from you, some kind of exchange takes place where you suddenly know things that the Mantindane would know, which ordinary human beings do not know.

But, sir, I know that this sharing of God often happens even when-for example, at one time, in 1966, in South Africa, sir, I was arrested and rather savagely interrogated by the security police. It was that time when every Black intellectual, no matter who he or she was, had a visit from these really nasty guys, who put you to torture, sometimes, who used to put electrical devices on you, and ask you questions, and so on.

Sometimes, when these "human beings" were torturing you, you often used to sense what they were thinking. Somehow, when you are being tortured by human beings, not by Mantindane only, there is a transference of thought. For example, when a particularly nasty secret policeman was coming to beat you, you KNEW what he was thinking, even before he burst into the room in which you were held. You knew that he was coming, and you knew exactly what he was thinking and what he intended to do to you.

So, this is why I say the strange things that flood my mind. And what flooded my mind on that day were visions from the mind of the Mantindane.

Since that time-I am a man of only very limited education-I found it hard to speak, let alone to write English. I take long to say things which people of better English would say in few words. But, my hands are capable of making things which nobody ever taught me.

I make engines, rocket engines that actually work. I make guns, of any type I wish, and all people who know me will tell you this and, Mr. David Icke, sir, might show you pictures of what I’ve done around my new home. I have made large robots out of scrap iron, and some of these robots are going to work. I don’t know where I acquired this knowledge from. And since that terrible day, the visions I have seen since I was a child, and the ordinary impressions which I have as a shaman, have grown much more intense.

I don’t know why, and I want to know the reason why. But I can tell you, sir, that these creatures, which people wrongly call aliens, are not aliens at all.

Over many years of looking into this thing, trying to understand it, I can tell you this: that the Mantindane, and the other kinds of alien beings that our people know about, are sexually compatible with human beings. The Mantindane are capable of impregnating African women.

And I have come across many cases of this during the last 30 years or so. For example, according to our culture, abortion is regarded as worse than murder. And if a tribal woman from a rural area in South Africa is found to be pregnant by some unknown person, and then her pregnancy disappears, that, sir, relative to that woman, accuses her of having committed abortion, and yet she denies this, of course.

And because of the fight that results between her and her relatives, the husband’s relatives, then she challenges these people who are accusing her to take her to a sangoma; that is a person like myself. The sangoma will sometimes examine the woman and, if the sangoma finds that the woman had been pregnant, and had somehow had her fetus removed-a thing which, when it is done by the Mantindane, results in specific injuries to the woman which anyone with experience can recognize-then, the sangoma knows that the woman is telling the truth.

Also, the smell which clings to people who have been through the hands of the Mantindane, that meticulous man which is unforgetable, always clings to all women who have been impregnated by the Mantindane, no matter how much perfume or powder they try to use.

So, that is why many such cases land on the doorstep of my life. Sangomas bring such people to me in large numbers, because they think I am the best one to help in such problems.

So, in the last 40 years or so, I have received many women who have actually been impregnated by the Mantindane and their pregnancies mysteriously terminated, leaving the woman feeling defiled, feeling guilty, and rejected by her family. It becomes my duty to convince the family of the woman’s innocence, to try and heal the terrible spiritual and mental-as well as physical-trauma that the woman has undergone, and to otherwise help her and her members of the family, and forget what happened.

No, sir; if these aliens are from a far away planet, why are they able to impregnate women? And why did that strange creature, which was naked, with red pubic hair, which climbed over me on that working table, why did it have an organ which, though slightly different from that of a normal woman, was still a recognizable female organ?

The creature’s organ was in the wrong place. It was slightly more in the front, where that of normal woman is between the legs. But it was recognizable, and it looked like a female organ. It had hair like a woman’s organ.